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Question
by Kai Figdor, PGA ... Replies by Richard Shaw Brown, PG
Question:
Why does the PGA have 6 Codes & an Off-List?
We need the support of the well known astrologers in Germany and the
other German speaking countries like Austria and Switzerland. It would
be nice to bring them together as PGA Members. I know most of them more
or less. What I have heard already (they all know your website) that
they don't like your Offlist - and I agree with this point. Here in
Europe is a complete different thinking about this point an I'll try
to bring this thinking closer to you. If you go to 10 different astrologers
in Europe you will get 10 different prescriptions of Gems. All say that
they are right because they got the knowledge from her master, his tradition
or/and her own experience. But nobody would say in public that he is
true and someone else is wrong. We do what we think is right and other
people do what they think is right. We are not interested to blame other
people because they have done something else as we did. Here everybody
is doing what in his view is right, we are not given a lot of attention
to that what other people are doing is right or wrong. I know that well
because I deal with the gems and I work with the astrologers. My job
is to give the people a good stone with a supporting deva. For me I
have decided to be neutral in this point. Maybe your book would help
to unit more astrologers. The thinking is that it is the personal choice
of somebody for this or another astrologer. Now he will get what his
karma is. It is not a question of right or wrong. You see the point?
The problem is that the astrologers would not accept the PGA Website
with an Off-List. As well without an Off list it would be difficult
to unit people in Germany. They like to do things by her own. But it
would be worth to try.
Reply PART I: Concerning EU astrologers not liking the off-list
please note that the 6 rules of the PGA were established by voting.
You can see the list of voters and the results at http://www.p-g-a.org/voting.html
(or below). Even in the ordinary world they have rules. Like NO MURDER,
or NO SEX WITH MINORS, NO COPY, NO THEFT, even though some people like
to do what ever they feel, still they must follow laws, otherwise it
is animal life. If Shastra, and our experience, and our voting shows
85% members are against VERY FLAWED GEMS, then that is the rule. And
that is Shastra. So those who follow the 6 PGA rules can look respectable
as members of the PGA. This means they follow rules, and the public
can trust them as PGA members. And the public can also complain against
any wrong doers by contacting the PGA. And we can enforce the rules
by the OFF-LIST which is for those who do not follow all the PGA rules.
Those who disagree are welcome to change or leave, but we must tell
the public to be careful of these persons as they do not follow the
PGA rules. And these rules are meant to guide the association and protect
the public. We cannot have any society where everyone does whatever
they want. What if some man wants to kill you... Is that all right!?
NO. Because even some one wants to do that, even someone thinks murder
is good, even their "master" told them to murder! ...still
it is against the law. And laws are voted by the people. The only persons
who ape the OFF LIST are people who belong there. Otherwise we would
be a useless association of "anything goes!" No one is forced to be
a PGA member. But if someone is doing planetary-gemology in a wrong
way, according to the PGA rules, then the public has the right to know.
And we have duty to warn them. Any one wanting to do things opposite
of the PGA are welcome to start their own association for PGA rule breakers
called the "Anti PGA". It is an honor to be a PGA member.
But without rules it means nothing.
Reply PART II: Regarding the PGA rules, we started as the "Graha
Anukul Ratna Vishesajna Parishad" Or the association for those who resort
to "Anukul" grahas and the knowledge of their gems. After the voting
I realized that to have a pure association we need to drop the small
minority of OFF LISTERS so the Assn would be pure and set GOOD standards.
There is no way that everyone will agree or join. This is true with
any society... Not EVERYONE will join, nor be qualified. So don't expect
to unite the astrologers of Germany... Some will join, and we care about
them, and we WARN about those who we know who break the PGA codes. For
example, some people follow Pratikul (harmful planet) gem prescribing,
and they bring great suffering... They should be locked up. But PGA
is not the police, so the best we can do is set the rules by voting,
then weed out the FEW losers. People who dislike the PGA rules are not
good followers of Planetary Gemology, and we don't want them as members.
But... We MUST warn the public of their wrongful (by PGA standards)
misdeeds. That is one of the stated purposes of the PGA. To set standards
and enforce them. Thus the need for an OFF-LIST. Last year 5 off-listers
converted back to become code following members. Personally I'll be
glad when the OFF LIST is empty. Then everyone will be following the
PGA rules and no one will suffer. But that is an impossible dream because
there will always be people who disagree. If they disagree with the
PGA then they are not allowed to be members. Just like the Boy Scouts...
You MUST follow the Scout rules to be a member. And please DO send this
reply (above) to your astrologer friends so they know WHY we MUST have
codes and OFF LIST in order to be useful. If they like they can join.
Advice to them: If you can't beat them, then JOIN them!
Initial
Voting Results;
SPECIAL SURVEY
Bangkok -
April 15, 2002. The Planetary Gemologists Association has completed
an international survey on four of the most important aspects of Vedic
Planetary (Jyotish) Gemology. These are: gem choosing methods, use of
synthetics, use of semiprecious gems, and use of very flawed gems. Voting
is by PGA Patrons & Members from all over the globe, including very
senior and venerable personalities (listed below)...
Here are
the initial results:
1. Use
of synthetics (lab created) gems in Planetary Gemology ? (total 96 voters)
10 voted
YES or 11% use synthetic stones
86 voted NO or 89% use only natural gems
2. Use of natural Upa-ratna (secondary) gems in Planetary Gemology ?
(total 96 voters)
79 voted
YES or 82% use natural semi-precious gems
18 voted NO or 18% use only the 9 primary gems
3. Use of very flawed gems in Planetary Gemology ? (total 93 voters)
16 voted
YES or 17% use very flawed stones
77 voted NO or 83% use only fine gems
4. Gem choosing methods, Anukul or Pratikul ? (total 90 voters)
76 voted
for Anukul-graha gem choosing or 84%
14 voted for Pratikul-graha gem choosing or only 16%
Below is the list of voters.
PGA PATRON
& MEMBER VOTERS
Prof. Dr.
Mangal Raj Joshi
Smt. Gayatri Devi Vasudev
Pandit Vidyadhar Sukul Brahman
Prof. Dr. A. K. Bhattacharya
Dr. Satya Vrat Shastri, Padma Shri
Chakrapani Ullal
Prof. Dr. Usha Satyavrat Shastri
Aniruddha
Dutta
Anjali J.
Arnav Medhi
Ayyam Perumal Kanaka Sabhapathi
Benjawan Arparpardh
Bhaskaranand Lohani
Bill Kent
Chandra Prakash Shrivastava
Darshan Diljit Shah
Dennis Harness
Dr. Amar Aggarwal
Dr. Amar Gautam
Dr. Bobbi Anne White
Dr. Damodar Lalla
Dr. Khilanath Bastakoty
Dr. Kursija S.C.
Dr. Mahha Dah Sheker Raajha
Dr. Neeraj Lalwani
Dr. Nilesh J. Chitalia
Dr. Nimai Banerjee
Dr. Partap Chauhan
Dr. Randy Stein
Dr. Sudhir Shah
Dr. Theja Hettiaratchi
Dr. Vikram Pratapsingh Bedi
Edith Hathaway
G. Kumar
Ganesh Nathan
Gary Gomes
Gregory J. de Montfort
Hewa Kurumburage Jayatissa Dharmadasa
Hiranmoy Bhattacharyya
Howard Beckman
Jack Hauck
Jai Maharaj
Jawahar Mutha
Jay Boyle
Jayant Gopinath Kulkarni
Jennifer Beckman
Joanne Greig
Jose Zaragoza Lopez
K.S.Thampan Kannanchara
Kanitha Brown
Manmohan Tikku
Meena Bhuwania
Nick Hodgson
Mihir Diljit Shah
Mony Singh
Nand Kishore Jhajharia
Nanda A. Arambewela
Nikhil Lalit Parekh
Orawan Arkun
Pandit Parsai
Panditji Prakash Bharadwaj
Pandit Siddhanthi Nandiraju Purnaiah
Pemmaraju V.R. Rayudu
Raaj Shekhar Padmashri
Ramkrishna Dahake
Raj Kapoor
Rajashekar S. Rao
Rajiv Verma
Ramamurthy M. Muniswamappa
Ramiah G. Krishnan
Ravindra K Chunodkar
Ravindrian K.K.
Rekha N. Parekh (Mrs.)
Richard S. Brown
R.L. Gupta
Robert Koch
Rodolfo Ciscato
Roeland de Looff
Roger Perry
S. Subba Rao
Sandeep Arora
S.G.V. Ramanam
Shambhu Lal Daulatani
Sharan Prabhakher
Shikha Jhingran
Shyamasundara Dasa
Sofija Jasna
Sourav Paul
Sri Swami Shyamananda
Stephen Quong
Thiruchelvam S. Nadarajah
Tom Hopke
Umamaheshwar Subba Hegde
Vijay Bharti
Vimal Chopra
Wendy Vasicek
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